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What is this on top of my engine

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I was looking around under the hood and saw this. It's sitting on top of the engine.It looks like a plastic bag full of sawdust. It has been torn open or chewed on. I tried to move it but it will not come out with out removing some of the intake to get to it.

Does anyone know what this is and if it is supposed to be there.

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"On top of the engine" ? That's not what the pic indicates.

Poke it and see if it moves. ;) I would guess some sort of insect nest, but if you have a better reference pic of the engine bay that wouldn't hurt.
I rotated the picture and enlarged it so you can see it better. I went out and poked around and found some bees in there. The thing is it looks like it is wrapped in plastic. As long as there is no reason for it being there I will get it out some how.

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Hard to say, maybe the plastic was road trash that melted on in a spot. I doubt the bees carried it there. ;)

I would try spraying with a hose nozzle first, maybe put plastic bags over the ignition coils, alternator, large connectors and other electrical items to reduce their getting wet.

There's no reason why something like that would be there that I can think of. You may have to scrape some of it away and when you do, I'd be careful not to snag any wires that might be buried in there.
I was talking to a mechanic friend of mine and told him about this, he said he has seen cars that had something like that around parts to deaden noise.
I still can't make out exactly what you have there because the picture res and lighting is poor. If there is any metal (rust) contributing to the brown color then it could be a rusted heat shield with a nest around it. Otherwise that doesn't look like an area where the factory would have tried to deaden noise. Exactly what is under that brown mass?
the first picture is a close up of the thing. It seems almost like sawdust or old foam rubber.
I don't get it. Are you afraid to touch it? I can understand some caution if it's a bee's nest, but otherwise it would be long gone by now.
I know what it is...

Unfortunately, I would see this too often at work, it's a mouse nest in the valley of the engine. I would remove the nest materials using a long set of BBQ tongs and blow out the rest of whatever is left behind (like seed hulls and other mouse food debris) but don't breathe the dust as it may contain hantavirus! The next thing to check is have the little darlings chewed on any of the wiring? We used to repair injector wiring harnesses all the time due to mice damage. Some of our customers would resort to putting a small cloth bag of mothballs in the valley to keep them from coming back. I had them in my explorer and I used mousetraps in the garage to get rid of them and now always have some Dcon mouse/rat poison in the garage so they don't come back. Good luck!
The strange thing is it looks like it is wrapped in a plastic bag.
Have you been across the border in the last few years? Maybe it was a brick of pot hidden there, that has now turned into topsoil. ;) Otherwise a mouse might have hauled a piece of plastic there or it was just blowing around on a road and went up into your engine bay and got stuck there.

I don't understand why you haven't removed it. There's nothing good about having plastic wrap/bag/etc next to a hot engine. It can melt or catch fire.
Yeah the plastic "wrapper" does make it strange but we saw something similar when a rat made a nest using one of the plastic wrapped sound deadener packages that ford often places at strategic areas in the body of the vehicle to absorb road or tire noise. They are a small plastic bag filled with a fiber material, I'm not sure if it's polyester or Fiberglas.

It's amazing to me how a small sound deadener like that can make such a difference but that's why after several years in production vehicles get noticeably quieter than when introduced. All the manufactuers have "NVH" teams that work to reduce "noise, vibration and harshness" in the current models and often the results are substantial.

We removed a nest very similar to your photo from the valley of a pickup's Diesel engine. The truck came in with a running problem caused by the rodent chewing through the injector harness wires under the hood.

Be glad that your explorer seems to not have any of that type of damage. Fixing wiring harnesses is time consuming and expensive!

Weirdest rodent damage I've ever seen is we had one customer with an XLS explorer that had squirrels that liked to chew on the outer edges of his black plastic fender flares! They would climb on top of his tires and chew all along the edge of the flare and ruin it. He finally had to resort to extermination to stop it.

All rodents incisor teeth constantly grow so they have to chew to keep them worn down. Usually their diet has enough nuts in it they have to chew open but I guess some of these "city squirrels" don't get enough of that and have to resort to chewing other things. We had a house fire in my town caused by squirrels chewing through wires in the attic, they're bad news in a house or car.
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^ One thing that can deter rodents/etc from chewing on things is cover them in hot sauce. I don't mean the $2 junk at the discount store, I mean HOT... I make my own but there are some industrial strength products out there that should work.

I'd guess that would take care of the fender flares but I'd be hesitant to put it on PVC insulated wiring, not knowing how much it seeps into PVC and might reduce the integrity. Hot pepper oil easily seeps into many plastics and dries to a similar state that linseed oil does.

If there are any solid particulates left behind you can just rinse those off a couple days later, but it will near-permanently dye many light colored plastics to a faint reddish-orange color. You wouldn't notice on black plastic trim, might make it slightly darker.
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I finally had a chance to pull this out and it looks like it was supposed to be in there. I has a part number on the end but I have not been able to make it out.

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Not a nest

Wow! You learn something new everyday. That is definitely a plastic covered foam sound deadener, you can see it was molded to fit inside the intake runners. It's the first one I've ever seen on an explorer, I wonder if your explorer engine was a test engine and that sound absorber was added to see if it reduced engine noise by a big enough margin to make it worth installing in all explorers? The damage to the plastic bag and foam was probably caused by a rodent that wanted to take up house keeping but the foam prevented that. Maybe you should put it back;-)
Oh BTW, this spring when I changed my thermostat, I found a mouse nest in the valley of my V6 so I started running a mouse trap on top of the engine every night. So far I've gotten 8 of the buggers over a 5 week period but none in the last 3 weeks. I would recommend that when you check your oil you keep an eye out for traces of mice in the valley of the engine and chew marks on wiring and the battery insulation pad (they chewed a bunch off mine) If they're present they'll often come back to your vehicle each night. I use a good old victor snap trap placed on top of the engine. I drilled a small hole in the bait tray so I can wire a peanut to the tray. If you just use peanut butter I've found the little bastards can lick all the peanut butter off the tray without springing the trap! Once I wired a peanut to the tray, it started catching almost every night until I guess I've gotten all the explorer oriented mice. I actually looked forward to checking the trap every morning to see if I was adding to my total. I even though about painting little mice icons on the fender but I figured that was a little much;-)
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I still question whether it was ever a part of YOUR vehicle, could have been sucked up into your engine bay while driving, after falling off someone else's vehicle.
Sound absorber

That bagged foam definitely was placed in the engine valley at the factory, the pattern of it corresponds to where the intake runners enter the sides of the heads so it will fit there without having to be mechanically fastened. All Lincoln engines since 2000 have that kind of sound absorber in the engine valley to reduce engine noise and "air flow drone" from the plastic intake manifolds. The foam is in a plastic bag to keep it from absorbing oil or water. Now that I think about it (I'm a recent retiree with CRS-can't remember sh**) I might have seen bagged foam in the valley on an explorer limited, the limiteds had all sorts more sound deadening than xlt explorers, they were much quieter driving down the road. The plastic intakes are much noisier than the old cast aluminum intakes so putting sound absorbing foam in the valley is cheaper and lighter (think gas mileage) than undercoating on the firewall. Heck, the reason for plastic intakes is that they're lighter than the cast aluminum, it's all about weight reduction for gas mileage to meet the govt cafe regs for gas mileage. Hope this clears it up.
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I still question whether it was ever a part of YOUR vehicle, could have been sucked up into your engine bay while driving, after falling off someone else's vehicle.
This was definitely not something that was sucked up into the engine, not the way it was in there. There is also the part number on it but I can't make it out well enough to look it up.
lol, Phil I could have sworn I read that you had a year 2000 and that was what I was thinking of, that it wouldn't fit on that intake.

However I'm still skeptical as your picture makes it look like you have the following (Motorcraft version though) of this intake, which has nowhere I can see, where a pad that shape would go:

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=7614980&cc=1377660&jsn=835

Does the Motorcraft have recesses between the ports that the Dorman doesn't, or was there work done on yours that removed the intake manifold? I don't see how that could come out of there without human intervention.
lol, Phil I could have sworn I read that you had a year 2000 and that was what I was thinking of, that it wouldn't fit on that intake.

However I'm still skeptical as your picture makes it look like you have the following (Motorcraft version though) of this intake, which has nowhere I can see, where a pad that shape would go:

Does the Motorcraft have recesses between the ports that the Dorman doesn't, or was there work done on yours that removed the intake manifold? I don't see how that could come out of there without human intervention.
I'll take a picture now that I can reach in between all the runners and stuff. I wonder if someone added it to lower noise even if it wasn't meant for this model.
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